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File:Science Fantasy platform city on an exoplanet.png

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AI generated image that does not serve a useful or educational purpose, per Commons:AI-generated media. 2600:1700:51F0:4890:81E7:24EA:AB99:EF23 17:25, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep 1. false – it's a good-quality image that illustrates what the genre Science Fantasy is about and is the image that does that job best 2. it's of good quality and useful 3. COM:INUSE. Prototyperspective (talk) 17:27, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep per above comments, image is in use. Tvpuppy (talk) 23:39, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"The image is in use" does not satisfy the qualification of being "useful of educational purpose." Simply being placed on an article does not make it useful.
Further, it does nothing to illustrate the genre. There is nothing to indicate what about it is "science fantasy", it requires the viewer to just shrug and accept that this randomly generated image is accurate. 128.163.7.152 14:25, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See COM:INUSE, if the image is in use in other Wikimedia projects, it is automatically considered “useful for an educational purpose”. Commons does not overrule other projects about what is in scope. Tvpuppy (talk) 19:21, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also what you said is not accurate. For example but not only if you looked at the sources in the caption (and there's further sources saying the same within the article)

In contrast to fantasy, science fantasy is often set on other planets[1] and far future or alien technology is often used, sometimes explaining fantastical elements[2] in the sense of Clarke's adage "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".[3]

Prototyperspective (talk) 23:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete The image seems to have been added to other projects by Prototyperspective, which is something they have done before with AI images to get around the whole "in use" thing. They are now topic banned from anything having to do with AI images on English Wikipedia for similar behavior. Per Commons:Project_scope "any use that is not made in good faith does not count." Someone adding their own images to article and then arguing the images shouldn't be deleted because of said usage is clearly not good faithed. It's not like there isn't other images of "science fantasy" that can't be used instead anyway. It takes what, like 2 minutes to upload an image to Commons if the exiting ones don't work? Prototyperspective should have just uploaded a non-AI generated image of "science fantasy" to begin with. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:39, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Please assume good faith and I have not added it to get around the whole AI use thing because it illustrates the particular subject well and is of good quality. It's not like there isn't other images of "science fantasy" that can't be used instead anyway false, the alternatives if anything to this are also AI-made. should have just uploaded a non-AI generated image how is that a reason for deleting this one? And unlike this work, those are not CCBY or public domain and so can't be uploaded. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
False, the alternatives if anything to this are also AI-made. There's plenty of files in Category:Science fantasy, along with literally thousands of book covers and artwork from the 60s and 70s, that are PD and depict the subject perfectly fine. Or are you claiming that all those images aren't depictions of science fantasy and it just become a genre of art 2 years ago? --Adamant1 (talk) 12:43, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, they don't depict the subject. That a magazine contains science fantasy stories doesn't mean its cover illustrates what science fantasy is and its characteristics. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:47, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
no true Scotsman. Anyway, this is clearly artwork of science fantasy and there's a ton of hits for "public domain science fantasy images" on Google. My guess is that you either didn't bother to look for alternatives before uploading the image or you just don't care. Which is exactly why I said the usage was done in bad faith. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:03, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's a bad illustration, not showing anything characteristic to science fantasy and not helpful. Even if there was hypothetically some many-decades old magazine cover that shows something science fantasy that doesn't mean any other images of that kind should be deleted or are useless. But thanks for confirming that you do not assume good faith. Prototyperspective (talk) 13:46, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ↑ Defining Science Fantasy. Fantasy Art and Studies (1 January 2017). Retrieved on 5 April 2025.
  2. ↑ (in English) (4 August 2022) The Transcendent Vision of Mythopoeic Fantasy, McFarland, pp. 173 ISBN: 978-1-4766-8292-1.
  3. ↑ (in English) (10 December 2013) The Good Old Stuff: Adventure SF in the Grand Tradition, Macmillan + ORM ISBN: 978-1-4668-5950-0.

Kept: The file is currently in active use on another Wikimedia project, which under Commons policy (COM:INUSE and COM:SCOPE) automatically deems it educational and within scope. Even if it was added to the sister project to make a point or as part of a dispute, the fact remains that it is in active use there right now, and Commons does not override the editorial autonomy of sister projects when it comes to deciding what illustrates their content. While the image is AI-generated, Commons policy allows such media when it is clearly marked and serves an educational purpose, as it does here. Disputes over subjective artistic quality or the availability of hypothetical alternative images are not sufficient grounds for deletion when actual, valid use exists. --Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 22:08, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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